2019 CIF State Wrestling Championships Schedule

[NORCALI]

This is from August 2018 


Wrestling Community
Everyone is making some great points. Some from the head, some from the heart and others from the gut and many from all three!!....nevertheless I appreciate what everyone has to say. This is what I posted in a separate thread the other day in case you missed it:

Wrestling Community,
I'm so so sorry. I have been super busy as heck getting the 2018-19 school year started and helping the UFC light heavy and heavy weight champ DC  fill out field trip forms and book hotels for the 2018-19 season.
 
The State Tourney will be a 3 day event (Feb. 21-23) and will combine both boys and girls for the first time in wrestling (Track and Field, Swimming and Diving already there, so not really an earth shattering concept) 

Here is an overview of what you COULD/LIKELY expect based on our state wrestling advisory committee meeting last Spring:

The event will start on Thursday and conclude on Saturday. Weigh ins Thurs (normal weight allowance for Feb), Fri. +1 Sat. +2

Day 1 will likely be 2 rds of championships and one consolation rd. for boys & 2rds for girls. Boys may have the later start time as the girls and boys will likely start Day one in separate sessions. Weigh in times TBD.

Day 2 will likely be 3 rds of championships and 4 rds of consolation & one less round of both conso/champs for the girls.

Day 3 will likely be just for the medalists (no heartbreaking do or die blood rounds so only place winners will weigh in for Saturday (Like the NCAA D1's). Conso-Quarters, Cons-Semis, medal matches 3, 5, 7.

Championships starting at 4-5pmish. 14 weight classes boys and girls side by side, next weight starting at the conclusion of both matches.  Stage iffy...probably not, but not totally ruling it out. The fans in the first two or three rows of Rabo might appreciate the mat on the floor

Medals likely awarded after every 2 matches (Like Fargo, likely with spotlights with perhaps two sets of podiums, for girls and boys).

Again, just an overview. The CIF staff including the tournament director and assistants are hammering out the details to make it work for Rabobank in terms of logistics including start times, mat configurations, weigh-ins etc. A schedule should be posted soon.

Dr. Marco A. Sanchez, Principal

Gilroy High School Mustangs

"May the Horse be with you"

CCS Executive Committee Member

CIF Executive Committee Member

State Wrestling Advisory Committee Chairman

[a. wight]

This seems to be the latest in a string of decisions made by our CIF central office and a few members of our state advisory committee that have been made without gathering input from the coaches community.  It's frustrating, but seems to be the status quo the last few years.

I would encourage everybody to call/write Brian Seymour at the state office - he is in charge of wrestling - bseymour@cifstate.org.  Give him your feedback.  Until they hear from the people this is affecting the most they will keep moving forward with bad decisions.

[TheMoomAbides]

This schedule is much better below...what happened?

Also...I can't wait for that one school that finally gets a kid to state, they go to the AD or principal on Monday:

COACH: "Hey, Mr. AD, our 285 made it to state!"

AD: "Great! What time do you leave on Friday?"

COACH: "Oh no, we leave Wednesday. It's three days. We need two hotels for four nights. Plus food. Plus Travel expenses. So like $1500."

AD: "I'm very happy Bobby made it to state. Such a shame he won't go. Now if you excuse me, I'm ordering the football team $20,000 in new equipment." 

This is from August 2018 


Wrestling Community
Everyone is making some great points. Some from the head, some from the heart and others from the gut and many from all three!!....nevertheless I appreciate what everyone has to say. This is what I posted in a separate thread the other day in case you missed it:

Wrestling Community,
I'm so so sorry. I have been super busy as heck getting the 2018-19 school year started and helping the UFC light heavy and heavy weight champ DC  fill out field trip forms and book hotels for the 2018-19 season.
 
The State Tourney will be a 3 day event (Feb. 21-23) and will combine both boys and girls for the first time in wrestling (Track and Field, Swimming and Diving already there, so not really an earth shattering concept) 

Here is an overview of what you COULD/LIKELY expect based on our state wrestling advisory committee meeting last Spring:

The event will start on Thursday and conclude on Saturday. Weigh ins Thurs (normal weight allowance for Feb), Fri. +1 Sat. +2

Day 1 will likely be 2 rds of championships and one consolation rd. for boys & 2rds for girls. Boys may have the later start time as the girls and boys will likely start Day one in separate sessions. Weigh in times TBD.

Day 2 will likely be 3 rds of championships and 4 rds of consolation & one less round of both conso/champs for the girls.

Day 3 will likely be just for the medalists (no heartbreaking do or die blood rounds so only place winners will weigh in for Saturday (Like the NCAA D1's). Conso-Quarters, Cons-Semis, medal matches 3, 5, 7.

Championships starting at 4-5pmish. 14 weight classes boys and girls side by side, next weight starting at the conclusion of both matches.  Stage iffy...probably not, but not totally ruling it out. The fans in the first two or three rows of Rabo might appreciate the mat on the floor

Medals likely awarded after every 2 matches (Like Fargo, likely with spotlights with perhaps two sets of podiums, for girls and boys).

Again, just an overview. The CIF staff including the tournament director and assistants are hammering out the details to make it work for Rabobank in terms of logistics including start times, mat configurations, weigh-ins etc. A schedule should be posted soon.

Dr. Marco A. Sanchez, Principal

Gilroy High School Mustangs

"May the Horse be with you"

CCS Executive Committee Member

CIF Executive Committee Member

State Wrestling Advisory Committee Chairman

[WIguy]

Here is what I know... 10 mats is not enough. that is a huge part of the problem.

[sphillips]

First attempts at new things always have issues so that is understandable. This schedule stinks though, it is dumb. This hurts the growth of the sport outside the center of the state. This hurts all the student athletes as they are tasked with missing even more school.

Our school is on a trimester system where the trimester is ending right around these postseason weeks so they are likely missing final exams and/or the class days that are used to prepare for final exams. Financially this hurts the families of wrestlers and the budgets of wrestling teams. Wrestling teams with small and medium budgets may have to schedule at least one less travel tournament. Areas without strong wrestling nearby already have to travel all over just to stay competitive so this hurts the upward mobility of teams trying to compete at a state level.

The benefactors are teams close to Bakersfield, which for some reason is now the permanent location of the state tournament (the idea that this is fair due to central location completely ignores the permanent reality of the stresses put on teams further away and the competitive advantage it gives teams more centrally located every single year). Outside teams cannot bring teammates and friends to watch their team compete as they'd have to miss at least two days of school if not three all while finding a nearby hotel they can stay 3-5 nights at, plus transportation there and back.

From experience, hotels in Bakersfield get pretty filled up just with the system we had in the past. Now we are adding about 26-32 girl wrestlers across 14 more weight classes. That is about 400-500 more competitors that have families and additional coaches coming. It will be great to have full stands, but the costs will be heavy for the actual people involved. Some families will be priced out and won't get to see their kids compete at the biggest tournament of their high school wrestling careers. This already happens, but it will just happen more now.

I love what is happening in the Central Valley and the Clovis area as they are raising the bar for wrestling in the state and giving an example of what to work towards and how to do it. However, when the powers that be make decisions that only benefit the top programs that can survive increased costs and negatively impact the programs that are trying to grow, it is a clear statement that there is not a concerted effort to grow the sport at all. This is a clear negative for teams that are 3+ hours away from Bakersfield, for teams on more limited budgets, for coaches who don't necessarily have the ability to take 3-5 days off work to coach, for students who are struggling to maintain the grades they need to achieve what they want academically, for parents who are struggling to make ends meet, for teammates who want to be a part of the biggest moment of the season for their team, and for the sport of wrestling in California in general.

We try to bring young wrestlers to see the state tournament as that helps fuel the goal of going to state, medaling at state, and winning state. That is hard enough to get these guys to miss another Friday of school (again this is Finals time for these guys) to ask them to miss 2-3 days of school is doing a disservice to their educations. The distance between them and qualifying for the state tournament only grows due to this. The exhaustion that sets in from State is also greater, which will further affect students going into the next school week.

Others have already mentioned how the structure of the 3-day schedule is poor too. To expect a regular healthy person to weigh the same over the course of three different days is ridiculous. To shorten the practice week and expect athletes whose weight can fluctuate 5-10 pounds over the course of a normal day (with practice and running/lifting) to maintain a weight class over three days, where they may only wrestle 1-2 matches a day (that one match is usually a 1-2 pound weight loss opportunity for these guys) is stupid and shows a lack of thought. The shortened recovery time makes absolutely no sense for those in consolation who may be wrestling 3-4 times in a long day. A 14-16 hour day of traveling, weighing in, warming up, and competing with no scheduled breaks is idiotic and to stretch that over 2-3 days is negligent.

Also why do they have to even weigh in three times? I thought making high schoolers pee in cups (what a stupid and invasive thing that just makes our sport even less accessible) and "accurately" pinpointing their body fat would eliminate weight cutting. So what is the point of making weight over 2-3 days if weight cutting has been eradicated by hydration? (I know this is a sarcastic point, but the hydration system has done little to curtail weight cutting, and again only benefits the programs that have learned how to game the system, the continuation of multi-day weigh ins only acknowledges that the hydration system is ineffective and useless).

Likely what should be the most exciting and fulfilling moments of the tournament will be seen by even fewer people live in the arena. Teams that are ousted on day 1-2 will go home early due to costs and just being exhausted from the whole undertaking. For those who are there the whole time, we will also have coaches who have been driving, coaching, and watching over kids for 3-4 straight days (again these are 12-16 hour days) making late night Saturday drives that can range from 5-10 hours, due to costs, which is an absolute safety hazard.

The majority of our sports issues are self-inflicted, and the continuation of ineffective and negative policies/systems without any checks or balances whatsoever will continue to limit the positive effects this sport can have on athletes and communities.

There was a 32 man bracket tournament with state quality competition held this weekend that took 6 hours starting at 1:30pm using 8 mats at Clovis West High School. It ran smoothly, the facilities were fine, and the food was a better selection and far cheaper than Rabobank. USAW and SCWAY/NUWAY are putting CIF to shame with how they run big tournaments, and the big decision by CIF this year was to somehow find an even worse way to do this. Great job.

I'd hope as even a consolation for dealing with this crap, we at least can get more coaches passes or interchangeable coaches passes, however that would mean CIF is missing out on more ticket sales so why even bother bringing that up.

[BPG421]

If we really are really doing this for the student athlete and doing everything we can to get them to their peak performance in academics, athletically and mentally then sessions are the only logical decision as sessions give the student  athletes time to-
A. Get get back to the hotel to work on schoolwork that they brought with them because student athletes that are at the top caliber with the schedule as it is way to much time pulled away from school going to tournaments and qualifiers and by the time state comes the student athletes are already over stressed about their classes and grade.
B. Gives the student athlete a chance get to the gym to cut weight because now with the tournament being 3 days means 3 weigh ins
C. Give the student athlete time to get out of the arena and get the proper food and nutrition necessary to help make weight properly with arena laws proper nutrition is impossible if you are being forced to sit in the arena all day.
D. Give the student athletes time to get out of the loud arena and get some rest, whether it is sleep or just silence from the whistles and crowd so they can center themselves and be ready for the next session.

PS In swimming and track having all the different events with all of their heats for both boys and girls the student athlete the families and fans plenty of time to get out of the arena and get food, rest and peace of mind since this is our model and not the NCAA wrestling tournament
 

[96Olympian]

This is from August 2018 


Wrestling Community
Everyone is making some great points. Some from the head, some from the heart and others from the gut and many from all three!!....nevertheless I appreciate what everyone has to say. This is what I posted in a separate thread the other day in case you missed it:

Wrestling Community,
I'm so so sorry. I have been super busy as heck getting the 2018-19 school year started and helping the UFC light heavy and heavy weight champ DC  fill out field trip forms and book hotels for the 2018-19 season.
 
The State Tourney will be a 3 day event (Feb. 21-23) and will combine both boys and girls for the first time in wrestling (Track and Field, Swimming and Diving already there, so not really an earth shattering concept) 

Here is an overview of what you COULD/LIKELY expect based on our state wrestling advisory committee meeting last Spring:

The event will start on Thursday and conclude on Saturday. Weigh ins Thurs (normal weight allowance for Feb), Fri. +1 Sat. +2

Day 1 will likely be 2 rds of championships and one consolation rd. for boys & 2rds for girls. Boys may have the later start time as the girls and boys will likely start Day one in separate sessions. Weigh in times TBD.

Day 2 will likely be 3 rds of championships and 4 rds of consolation & one less round of both conso/champs for the girls.

Day 3 will likely be just for the medalists (no heartbreaking do or die blood rounds so only place winners will weigh in for Saturday (Like the NCAA D1's). Conso-Quarters, Cons-Semis, medal matches 3, 5, 7.

Championships starting at 4-5pmish. 14 weight classes boys and girls side by side, next weight starting at the conclusion of both matches.  Stage iffy...probably not, but not totally ruling it out. The fans in the first two or three rows of Rabo might appreciate the mat on the floor

Medals likely awarded after every 2 matches (Like Fargo, likely with spotlights with perhaps two sets of podiums, for girls and boys).

Again, just an overview. The CIF staff including the tournament director and assistants are hammering out the details to make it work for Rabobank in terms of logistics including start times, mat configurations, weigh-ins etc. A schedule should be posted soon.

Dr. Marco A. Sanchez, Principal

Gilroy High School Mustangs

"May the Horse be with you"

CCS Executive Committee Member

CIF Executive Committee Member

State Wrestling Advisory Committee Chairman

NORCALI
Thanks for reposting my August post. The extra weigh in, loss of classroom time, increase of travel costs, fatigue from extending the event were all expressed during advisory committee meetings. I will be following up with Brian Seymour at CIF this week.

[Scottlawson]

If I am reading this correctly, everybody except pigtail 0-2 wrestlers come back on day 2.

Secondly, if you are a quarter finalist you have one match on Friday and if you win you are done................Hmmm, sounds like a really long day.

Finally, does somebody really think it is a good idea to put this co-ed group in the same vicinity/hotels ?

 I can't imagine anything good happening when A) wrestlers are eliminated or B) when they are celebrating

[dbards]

Bakersfield is not the permanent site.  It comes up for bid every 3-5 years and they have been winning the bid.

Our top tournament and they have to weigh in for 3 days the first time in the season or their career.  Are we suppose to have 3 day trny's now to prepare them for State?

Sessions would more logical for the fans and the athletes instead of holding everyone captive in the arena.  Anybody remember when they had the girls exhibitions before the finals at Spanos?  Friday could be just as bad or worse than before.   

[kastner coach]

I could see if they had another gym they could host the girls in and combine the finals.  But other than that I dont see a lot of positives here. 

[Lateral]

Maybe if they screw it up enough, more people will be attracted to the multiple divisions.

I wish the girls wrestled in the spring...

[Santos]

You guys really messed things up while I was gone... smh

[SCWAY Lawson]

A question and a comment from the peanut gallery.

1.  Does Bakersfield really win the bidding process?  I was told that Ontario put in a higher bid but don’t know if that is true or not?

2.  You can’t complain about missing school time if you have already missed about 6-7 Friday’s for tournaments and we all have the cheer team, band, Or dance teams that travel to orlando or Hawaii every year and miss a week of school.  The biggest perk of wrestling in high school besides stealing the other teams stat girls away from them was missing school! 

[Rescue]

When the kids are taking AP classes Andy in a block schedule missing one day is like missing two. Missing three and the four prior Friday’s for qualifying tournaments makes it near impossible to keep up. Missing three days in a row for work won’t be easy for most of us either. I’d rather carry it into Sunday.

[InsideTripper89]

I just wanna add to the heap of criticism of this tournament. Huge non-season events like Reno WoW, Freakshow, and Fargo, all have sessions, more mats, and even separate gyms to accommodate the multiple age groups, sexes and styles. CIF could have very easily split up Thursday and Friday by sex or even championship/consolation to better accommodate the athletes.

Having boys and girls, semis and consolation all at the same time only on Saturday would have been a lot, but CIF decided to have everyone plow through two marathon days.